Police Elections: turning a flagship policy into farce
The Electoral Reform Society has said the Government has some serious questions to answer, as the Prime Minister in this week's PMQs brushed off criticism of the expected low turnout in the forthcoming Police and Crime Commissioner elections.
Mr Cameron echoed the Government’s official line-to-take that first elections are ‘always difficult’. The Electoral Reform Society, which has conservatively estimated turnout at 18.5 per cent, has said evidence from previous ‘first time’ elections clearly demonstrate this argument isn’t a 'get out of jail free card'.
The Prime Minister's comments follow a week of chaos as £350,000-worth of English-only ballot papers went to the shredder in Wales. That's our money. And this week many voters are just beginning to receive direct mail from authorities - some on the same day that voter registration closes.
Good, innit?
His Grace has now received his official voting card, but has heard absolutely nothing about or from any of the candidates in his area. Frankly, this is appalling. Yes, it might be available on the internet, but if His Grace can't be bothered to do a search, how many of the cynical and un-engaged will bother?
Katie Ghose, Chief Executive of the Electoral Reform Society said:
“To make one mistake in this election could have been regarded as misfortune. To make the dozen or so blunders the Home Office have made to date just looks careless.The Society has examined turnout in first-time elections for English mayors. Katie Ghose added: “A 'difficult first election’ does not give the Government a get out of jail free card on low turnout. The relatively low figures achieved in first time elections for English mayors are a million miles away from November’s expected numbers. The Government isn’t just repeating past mistakes. It’s thrown in some new ones for good measure.”
“There have been epic mistakes in every last detail of this election – from timing that will keep most voters at home, to huge deposits that have kept serious candidates away, and now ballot papers which will be shortly heading into landfill.
“The UK Government has turned a flagship policy into farce. We have a role charged with serious powers that is now at risk of becoming a joke.
“The Home Office have obliged with a few videos and a website, but this has all come too late in the day. Few people know this election is happening, and even fewer really understand the nature of the role.
“There are plenty of big questions that the Government will have to answer post-election.”
Here is some usful data on 'first-time elections' – the turnout for mayoral elections in England:
Watford 2002 – 37%So, a projected turnout of 18.5 per cent for PCCs may be seen to be far more about Government incompetence than a little 'first-time difficulty'. It's almost as if they didn't really believe in devolution, localism, or trusting communities of people..
Doncaster 2002 – 27%
Hartlepool 2002 – 29%
Lewisham 2002 – 25%
Middlesbrough 2002 – 42%
North Tyneside 2002 – 42%
Newham 2002 – 26%
Bedford 2002 – 25%
Hackney 2002 – 26%
Mansfield 2002 – 19%
Stoke on Trent 2002 - 27%
Torbay 2005 – 24%
Tower Hamlets 2010 – 26%
Salford 2012 – 26%
Liverpool 2012 – 31%


61 Comments:
UKIP is fielding 24 candidates for Police Commissioner posts and members have been urged not to vote for a second choice. If the turn-out overall is low, our committed, politically interested membership may produce results that Mr Cameron won't enjoy reading.
Mrs May's newly acquired 'golden girl' status is about to take a hit.
My plan, if I can be arsed, is to walk down the road to the polling station and write on the ballot paper that those responsible for this dumbass poll should be removed from office and have their assets sequestered to pay for it.
David B
Goodness what a Carry On glad I am no longer registered to vote now
How could anyone still wish to be associated with this system, I much prefer the Jewish way of doing things, set up tribal councils and present your demands
Jews even have parlaimentary representation within the EU now, without even having a member state
That is more than the English have, even though the English are said to be in the EU because a Marxist Jew signed the treaty
God awful system of misrepresention
This is top/down, imposed localism - just as much a response to public interest and demand as John Prescott's English regions.
When he issued his consultation paper, the overwhelming response was opposed, so his department lumped all responses together as "showing an interest in regionalisation".
Perhaps the 5,000 block leaders whom the government are training to "empower" the "Big Society" should be mobilised to get the vote out.
My postal vote arrived this morning. Three candidates (Conservative, Labour Party, and an Independent) are on the paper. I was sent a URL a week or so ago which I haven't bothered to look up yet. I know I ought to but I'm not enthused by the idea.
Vote for yet another layer of cash guzzling bureaucracy? I don't think so.
I second David B
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With an air of inevitability, the Coalition has made a total mess of what is a good thing. Here in Somerset, we have also received no material on any of the candidates. I found out who they are in the web; there's a three line or so bio/why me? paragraph for all of the candidates - bar some Labour bloke who has nothing about it at all.
I am minded not to vote.
@Edward Spalton said...
This is top/down, imposed localism - just as much a response to public interest and demand as John Prescott's English regions.
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Agreed - though it was and is the EU's English regions, not Prescott's.
Most definately another EU agenda and whoever would be dumb enough to elect a police state
We have all witnessed the steady growth in political policing don't give consent by voting
The important issue here is that whatever happens we will have elected police commissioners. As for a low turnout, don’t count on it.
When this man arrived in Gloucester, he couldn’t walk more than 150 yards down the main drags without being pestered by some down and out in a closed shop doorway. What few beat policemen there were would be conveniently walking on the other side of the street. When the PCSOs came on the scene, they swept the problem up.
Interestingly, the county police force has changed tactics in the last few months. Instead of waiting for a break-in to happen and then investigate, they actively pursue anyone on their public nuisance list. Keeping tracks on them at all times. The strategy has paid off, with handsome reductions in that crime statistic.
It looks like the police have already adapted to the new regime. After all, they are finally going to be responsible to a man or woman who will themselves answer to the people.
This is going to be an example of Britain at it’s best, what !
Inspector, you have just described the bobbies doing their job, which is the least to be expected from them under normal conditions
David Cameron claiming he cannot get a reduction in our payments to the EU as if our Nation has been subjugated by the mere signature of a Marxist Jew is hardly Britain at it's best
Blunketts bobbies (PCSO) cheap policing is just another way of diverting tax payers money abroad
Thirty years ago, the abolition of the House of Lords and the redefinition of legal marriage to include same-sex couples were both peculiar to the "Loony Left". The first was most associated with Tony Benn, while the second was most associated with Ken Livingstone.
Both are now the policy of the successor to the SDP. Both are now the policy of the Conservative Party. The only party that remains less than convinced is Benn's and
Livingstone's own. The third leg of the stool, bringing the IRA into the government of Northern Ireland, was accepted in principle by all three parties all the way back when John Major was Prime Minister.
Out of the same stable comes the attempt to subject the police to political control. That is the otherwise wholly mysterious origin of Police and Crime Commissioners. Labour should promise to abolish them. The turnout at the forthcoming elections will more than justify such a commitment.
I gave in and checked the website. Unusual bunch for me. Labour's has no chance, I'd say.
We have had our voting cards for two weeks but as yet no leaflets from any of the candidates(S Wales Police). Poor show!
In North Somerset we have four candidates but " one (Labour) has not yet provided an introductory statement to the PoliceElections.com.'
So what about Dave's 'big job for a big local figure'?
The big local figure seems to have disappeared into Wookey Hole never to come out again! They seek him here they seek him there but not apparently in North Somerset. You would have thought that an introductory statement would be the first priority for any candidate. After all it's no more than a ten minute job.
I see that Thames Valley have a UKIP candidate. Looks like I won't be staying in watching re-runs of Inspector Morse after all.
In South Yorkshire the police need some independent scrutiny. They have failed both to show leadership in sorting out their own muckheap (Orgreave and Hillsborough)and have succumbed to anti Christian political correctness allowing the persecution of young white girls by muslim men for their un interrupted pleasure. There are five candidates and The English Democrats, UKIP, Tories and Liberal candidates have spoken against the Labour candidate as he has been on Rotherham council and vice chair of the police authority and done precious little to force some action from an institutionally politically correct police. This would not happen without the removal of the cosy relationship between the police 'service' and the authority.
Provided the Labour candidate does not get in, things can only get better, if the commissioner does as promised. If he doesn't then he can be voted out. My feeling is that the establishment has gone cold on the idea after realising some ordinary joe might get in and actually do something.
A very low turnout (as seems likely) opens an opportunity for a fundamentalist religious group to "get their man in".
Hazard a guess as to which fundamentalist religious group might be well-enough organised to pull off this coup.
I therefore urge all right-thinking people to get off their backsides and vote.
One of the biggest issues with this election is holding it in November.
Not only are we unaccustomed to elections at this time of year (causing something of a psychological block in some electors, I suspect) but the weather and lighting conditions – especially for those who now go to work in the dark and come home after sundown – will be a further impediment to decent turnout.
I gather this timing was a concession to the Lib Dems, though I have no details of this. By next time, four years hence, hopefully it'll be held in May as is the norm for most elections in this country.
In my home county, by the way, several of the six candidates have been very active, and there has been some election material coming to us as well as the street stalls and a fair number of public hustings events around the county.
So it can be done; but it is a very large area to cover – unlike (say) American Sheriffs, whose electroate tends to be numbered in the tens of thousands.
Ours are in many cases over a million, including here in Kent...
I hope fundamentalists do get their man in, every time I have dealings with the bobbies they send an Asian
Monarchy and Marxist collusion to police England using foreigners would be to blame
Ladies and Gentlemen, His Grace, Esteemed bone. We don’t want the local mullah getting in. It’s difficult enough to police the Pakistan-UK heroin route as things stand.
The Inspector salutes the PCSOs. Should be given powers of arrest and elevated to the position of ‘Civic Police’. The other uniformed crowd being renamed ‘Criminal Police’. The division line of their duties being that which is a felony and that which is a misdemeanour.
Bravo PCSO types !
No need to worry about Mullah Commissioners inspector, nothing a permanent UK based UN peace keeping force could not monitor
PCSOs could be replaced by the Pensioners work force and perhaps incorporated into the lollie pop lady system
It's another cynical ploy to deflect from the fact that the EU pulls all the strings that matter and we get to elect the local sheriff and dog catcher - no big deal - nothing to see here folks now move along before you get booked for breathing in a non multicultural manner.
There’s an idea. A mechanised auxiliary force of wheelchair pensioners charging rioters, with knives fixed to the wheel hubs, in the Ben Hur fashion...
The charge commencing on the lowering of a lollypop...
One can picture it now. A looting armed black drug dealer looking in horror as the wheelchair pensioners approach. He pauses in fright. Takes aim and shoots two of the front pensioners dead, but is then rooted to the spot in petrified fear as the chairs continue at him at 15 mph despite their brave occupants slumped to one side lifeless. His last action to cry out in panic as the chairs cut him down, and send him on a early arrival in hell.
hmmm. Must write the book and secure film rights...
Why does the drug dealer have to be black?
It would never make it past the censors, the drug dealer would have to be white and straight
The hero could be a black, gay, disabled pensioner. Sell the idea to the BBC!
He doesn’t HAVE to be black. He just is...
Anyway, one's second book is to be a collaboration. “Harry Potter and the Arse Bandits”. An adult story of shocking predation by the dearly loved uber people. By JK Rowling and JK Inspector.
Of course, one needs to meet up with the booktress first. To discuss the plot, film rights and the millions coming this man’s way...
Is the image in the blog post the right one, the actual ad for the elections? Are they going for the pink vote?
Inspector
I do like the idea of the pensioner police force.
Here's a suggestion for the story line for books and films. Dispense with wheel chairs and use modernised Darlekesque machines with flight capacity and armed with lazers and other weaponary.
Exterminate .... Exterminate ... Exterminate
Hmmm, Your Grace. Nobody seems too chuffed wi' this notion.
Since the masters clearly think we're too daft to resist this latest imposition, I agree with those who suspect the game will carry on regardless.
At the same time, the self-styled "leaders" perpetuate their myth that communicating with us is a waste of time... because it's impossible. So all they'll really need now is bigger prisons and lots more of them; that is, unless this new "force" turns into a fully fledged euro militia with a license to shoot first and never answer questions.
Regardless, this copycat version of 'policing'is a sorry fate for our proud and exemplary tradition.
How very sad, that, before long no one will never know what we meant when we sang:
England swings like a pendulum do,
Bobbies on bicycles, two by two,
Westminster Abbey, the Tower of Big Ben,
And the rosy-red cheeks of the little children
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It is particularly foolish to spend all this money on electing Police Commissioners when we are cutting what we spend on running the force and making policemen/women redundant. Another coup for ineptitude!
The shredding of single language voting papers is another example of political correctness running mad in this country.
Come on you suckers,vote for me,so that i can get a better position in ACPO.
The farce is that all the parties have entered politicians for the posts, and if voting is on the usual lines for county councils, they might just as well instructed the County Councillors to make the appointments. I would have been cheaper and I doubt if the outcome would be any different.
Nevertheless, my vote for UKIP will be put in the post just as soon as the rain stops!
Matt A mentions a petition above.
Here is another petition followers of the Archbishop may like to peruse and sign:-
https://secure.avaaz.org/en/petition/Make_Stonewall_Pay_Its_Taxes/
Stonewall doesn't just get money from our banks it also avoids tax which is not fair.
Would Bred in the Bone please stop making racist remarks, or otherwise provide his home address so that we can go round there and throw a brick in at the window?
Did anyone hear that massive explosion ?
It was a bone going off...
Julia Gasper: "Would Bred in the Bone please stop making racist remarks, or otherwise provide his home address so that we can go round there and throw a brick in at the window?"
I'd be careful saying stuff like that if I were you.
Oh, sorry. I appear to have typed in the wrong name there. How on earth did that happen?
It doesn't matter. You made a threat. The intention was clear.
I have made no comments on race which can be identified as racial slurs, my comments are supportive of tribalism, not opposed
My oppopsition is to political ideology which forments division, through giving minority rights, which oppose the rights of host nations
The authorities are capable of getting my address if I am to be charged
Would it not be better to do things lawfully, bricks are such a sad silly method
Let those of you without guilt be the first to stone the bone...
Er, not literally of course {AHEM}
"I'd be careful saying stuff like that if I were you" 4 November 2012 16:13
Take no notice Danjo dear fellow, Laurance is probably a state asset attemting to induce a scenario in which the bobbies can intervene
That is not advisable either, given that I am already known to the crown for my dilligent efforts in keeping the peace, in which we share a common interest
Oh I don't think it will actually happen. I meant legally.
Crime will always happen Danjo, that is why we pay for bobbies to assist in uphold the law
Political policing will legaly seek to shut me up, which is more probably where Laurance comes in
"Laurance is probably a state asset..."
What a funny lot you are. I'm glad you're no longer registered to vote, Bred in the Bone, and I hope you stay that way.
For and on the record the term "asset" was a mispelling of the word ass
Then again anyone who really knows me recognises I prefer the term arse to Americanism
And also place my faith in a Rock over a Brick, although feel no need to throw them through windows
I will leave the voting to you
I am off to bed now, where I can sleep safe in the knowledge we are soon to have a Police Commissioner voted in by the brick thrower
Typifies the failing system I wish to discard somehow
Your Grace
Good morning to you.
Please could you post, asap, another of your outstanding contributions today such as why is Cameroon going on a re-invigorating' tour of the middle east etc, just so Ernst does not have to read another comment on your august blog about homosexuals and gold lame pants etc, before I go completely bonkers.
Bless you.
E S Blofeld
Would Blofeld give me his address show I can shove my prick through his letter box ;-D
Amen to that Ernst.(5 November 2012 09:45)
Then we would have one both sides of the door Mr Bone!(5 November 2012 18:13)
Really len, thats you off the jury then!
Ernst
And you really wanted to raise the standard of the discussion?!!
What on earth are you sayinglen?!
LOL.
Excuse the expression but I interpret it as Pr*cks on both sides of the door.
LOL
And possibly one in the letter box!
LOL
Dodo, No just ONE on both sides of the door.(Bone is outside and inside the House)
Try to visualise(perhaps better not!)
I just tried, it works!
bone, delighted for you old chap. Do you know some of us have barely enough to piss with...
In our house we have a Cocker Spaniel who savages anything coming through the letter box.
You have been warned Bone!
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