Friday, November 16, 2012

PCC elections - a landslide for voter apathy


His Grace did not wait up all night eagerly awaiting the results of the PCC elections (or the Corby by-election), which is just as well since counting doesn't commence until this morning. There is a reported turnout of 15.8 per cent in Wiltshire - just 81,477 people out of a total electorate of 520,000 bothered to vote. Impressive mandate, don't you think?

Conservative Angus Macpherson was duly elected Wiltshire's PCC, and he explained: "There are several reasons why people didn't come out to vote: they didn't understand what the job is; they didn't know who the candidates were and couldn't make a judgment. And then, depressingly, there were a lot of people while we were out on the street saying, 'I don't (vote) for anything."

The Returning Officer in Wilstshire, Stephen Taylor, said some people had complained about a lack of information: "People have emailed and contacted us saying that they didn't know enough about the candidates in order to be able to make a choice and obviously that's something I have no control over," he told BBC News. He added: "It would be good to have some analysis afterwards and see whether there's any lessons to be learned."

Well, His Grace can give a few, but they need absolutely no analysis:
1) Give people all the information they need to permit them to make an informed decision - the job, the candidates, their manifestos, etc., etc.

2) Don't hold the election in the middle of November, when it tends to be cold, wet and foggy.

3) Stick to a single, clear method of voting.
The third point refers to the fact that in some areas PCCs were elected under First-Past-The-Post; in others it was by the Supplementary Vote system, where voters express a first and second preference, and second preferences are re-distributed as those candidates with the least votes are eliminated (ie some people's votes count twice). Sound familiar? Well, it's closely related to the Alternative Vote system which the electorate comprehensively rejected in a referendum last year. So whose hair-brained idea was it to adopt this system for PCC elections? And whose utterly mind-boggling idea was it to elect PCCs in some areas by FPTP but in others by SV?

In the Manchester Central by-election (caused by the resignation of Tony Lloyd so he could stand in the PCC elections), Labour held the seat on a turnout of a depressingly low 18.16 per cent, which is believed to be the lowest in a UK parliamentary by-election since World War II.

The Tory line today, coming from Damian Green, is: "The measure of this policy is not the turnout; it's what the Police and Crime Commissioners achieve over the next few years." Labour's Chuka Umunna said: "It has been a total shambles." And the Electoral Reform Society has branded the Government's handling of the elections a 'comedy of errors'. It is, in short, a dog's breakfast, and the blame for this fiasco lies squarely with the Government. No wonder Nick Herbert resigned.

And yet this turnout is part of a wider declining trend, the blame for which must rest with all our elected politicians. The parties seem to win elections by promising heaven on earth, and when, a decade later, the electorate realises that they are still in purgatory, another swathe of disaffected voters views the democratic process with cynicism and disdain, declaring a plague on all their houses. This leads to a voter apathy and alienation, a deterioration in democratic participation and a declining turnout in elections, especially among the young.

If this decline is not addressed soon - with coherent strategies for increasing participation and inspiring programmes for engagement - we might as well be governed from Brussels.

60 Comments:

Blogger JimS said...

Did I miss the Parochial Church Council elections then?

16 November 2012 09:53  
Blogger The Way of Dodo said...

Who really cares? What!

16 November 2012 10:15  
Blogger Manfarang said...

As with WW2 “is your journey really necessary? going to the polls will be restricted to important elections during the financial crisis.

16 November 2012 10:23  
Blogger Rebel Saint said...

Cranmer said, "we might as well be governed from Brussels." I'll take that with the huge sense of irony I presume it was meant convey!

Being the keyholder for my local polling station, I was chatting to the presiding officer at 10pm. 50 people out of 1,400 turned out. We might as well have asked for a show of hands!

There are several reasons why I didn't vote in these elections and why I refuse to take part in any other elections now:

1) You still perpetuate the ludicrous lie that alternative voting systems make people's votes count twice. The reality is most people know that their current votes don't count even once. So I no longer vote in any election where FPTP is used and there is more than 2 candidates - it's a waste of my time.

2) I don't want the police to come under political control (or even greater political control). There was one independent candidate standing, but I know nothing about him. I will not for the greater politicising of the police by grubby political parties

3) I want to register a vote that says "I don't want to play your silly games. I don't want to have 'play democracy' whilst all the time you give more of my more fundamental liberties to unelected, unaccountable eurocrats". The way I can best express my opinion through the ballot box is by voting with my feet.

16 November 2012 10:27  
Blogger David said...

Sounds like you're ready for the Harrogate Agenda!

http://www.eureferendum.com/blogview.aspx?blogno=83181

16 November 2012 10:29  
Blogger Gareth said...

Absention does not send the message "I disapprove of this election". It sends the message "I don't care".

If people really didn't approve of politicians, they would consistently vote to unseat the incumbent. Instead, since 1979 we have seen four consecutive Tory governments, followed by three consecutive Labour governments, followed by a hung parliament.

If this is what outrage at our politicians results in, the country is not nearly outraged enough.

16 November 2012 11:00  
Blogger Rebel Saint said...

@Gareth, er, how does electing one politician to replace an incumbent politician send the message "we don't approve of our politicians"?

I do care. So I'm not going to play their futile lose-lose game by their rules any more.

You're not going to change the rules of football by simply supporting a different team. But if the stadiums emptied and the TV viewing figures dropped the FA might eventually decide "this doesn't seem to be working any more".

It might be a tired cliché now, but rearranging the deck chairs on the titanic isn't fooling many of us any more. Some of us are abandoning ship and manning the lifeboats instead

16 November 2012 11:47  
Blogger Berserker said...

Gareth makes the point:
Absention does not send the message "I disapprove of this election". It sends the message "I don't care".

Well, I live in Avon and North Somerset and I wanted to vote. My abstention was solely down to not knowing anything about the candidates or their plans. Not a leaflet, not a knock on the door, not a town hall meeting in other words zilch.

The average turnout seems to be around 15%. Is this a mandate? After all, they will be appointing a Chief Constable, setting budgets and working out local priorities.

I did try online to find out more but it was like the famed labyrinth, at every juncture I was despatched to another trail and after six or seven of these attempts, I gave up. Would I have fared better even the help of some streetwise Ariadne?



16 November 2012 12:25  
Blogger Gareth said...

@Rebel Saint

I would have thought the answer was obvious. If MPs were unseated on a regular basis by a well-informed, engaged electorate, then they would have no choice but to a) pay attention to their constituents and b) keep their noses clean.

Abstaining keeps the status quo fat, happy and unconcerned with the interests of those they supposedly represent.

16 November 2012 12:40  
Blogger Gareth said...

@Berzerker:

I do not live where you do, so I cannot comment. In Derbyshire, the four candidates each had a webpage. Labour and the Conservatives had each put up a local county councillor with no policing experience. There was an Independant who had been a Special Constable. Only UKIP had thought to field a candidate who actually had a policing career background. No prizes for guessing who my vote went to.

16 November 2012 12:46  
Blogger Chantry Priest said...

You never know, we could even return to a time when the Monarch appointed the Ministers [and ran the Government] and the Crown-in-Parliament made the laws.
"And those people should not be listened to who keep saying the "voice" of the people is the voice of God, since the riotousness of the crowd is always very close to madness"
[S Anselm to Charlemagne, Holy Roman Emeperor]. [italics mine]

16 November 2012 12:51  
Blogger John Thomas said...

A very good reason for voter apathy is the fact that people know that the U K parliament is essentially a puppet of the EC, and so has no real power (the candidiates/parties can promise something they will not be allowed to deliver, or something which they have to deliver anyway). They were - are - the architects of their own irrelevance, and will sink into a slime of their own making.

16 November 2012 12:57  
Blogger AnonymousInBelfast said...

Gareth:

I'd make robut powers of recall a top priority, not just for MPs, but MLAs, MEPs, MAs, and MSPs. I'd also want to see real pressure put on the political class to seriously interogate just what the flip they are doing there as an existential question. There are all too many career politicians who know nothing else, and see winning elections as the sole purpose of being in politics - as opposed to winning elections to achieve firm policies mandated by the electorate.

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On the subject of electing police constables, we didn't get it over here, and are not likely to any time soon as policing is a "sensitive issue" (aka we put terrorists into office). However, living as I do on an estate with a good many "social issues", as I believe they are called these days, I would not only give my vote, but actively campaign and shout from the rooftops the name of anyone who had a clear policy of putting criminals behind bars, was willing to actively assault the drugs trade, and had a zero-tolerance approach to anti-social thuggery. And if they got into office, I would pester them to regularly report to the public just how they were achieving that. Anyone offering to a hug a hoody or proposing community service as an alternative to custodial sentencing would be straight off the list.

We'd probably have to re-open the Maze to find a place to put them all, but at least that would solve the political dilemma as to how to use the site: i.e. as a prison.

16 November 2012 13:00  
Blogger Manfarang said...

Talking of sensitive issues.
I wonder when the Mid Ulster
by-election will be called?

16 November 2012 13:12  
Blogger AnonymousInBelfast said...

Frankly, Manfarang, I would not in the least be surprised if they don't bother (if indeed it comes up) to hold one. The political parties in Northern Ireland have become increasingly cavalier about such things. Pretty much all of them have replaced outgoing MLAs without a by-election, so I suspect it is an understanding they've reached between themselves that the electorate don't need to be consulted.

The DUP ran a host of them a few years back, but the most recent raft from Sinn Féin were excessively cynical. The incumbents ran knowing they would step down after the election, and their replacements were put in, more or less for a full term without ever having been subjected to a vote. When one looked at the list of these incoming, it was patently clear that many of them were very young (indeed, I think one actually set the record for youngest person ever "elected" to public office). So in other words, fearing that an untested candidate might lose the seat, especially with the perceived threat of the SDLP, they didn't bother running them.

All perfectly reasonable - after all, why should the electorate be asked whether they want careerists straight from nappies running their lives? They should just be grateful, you know.

16 November 2012 13:39  
Blogger AnonymousInBelfast said...

Never mind, eh - when one looks at the stirling analysis that comes out of the appointment, it all seems worth it.

Indeed, what better method than co-option to ensure the Assembly is "representative of society". We need never vote again!

16 November 2012 14:00  
Blogger Manfarang said...

Well somethings don't change much.I seem to remember a 21 year old being elected in 1969 for Mid Ulster.

16 November 2012 14:13  
Blogger Anthony Smith said...

I'd be surprised if anyone but anyone was put off voting for a PCC by the voting system.

Evidence to the contrary...?

16 November 2012 14:16  
Blogger E.xtra S.ensory Blofeld + Tiddles said...

Your Grace

No post on the 'aggression' of Israel and the BBC's 'impartial and balanced reporting of the growing tension??

I noticed that the BBC was rubbing it's hands as soon as Isreal retaliated for the 1000+ rockets/mortars launched this year..forget the saville and McAlpine and it's own hoisting itself on a petard, it is back on solid ground, that of crucifying Israel with its reporting.

Heard 2 speakers involved in mortars, Palestinian and Israel..the Israeli raised concerns and wished peace on the Palestinian. The Palestinian refused point black to single out Hamas as this was not political but merely civilian (strewth, if it's not political what is the point of a political solution?) and refused any conversation with the Israeli.

We then have one after the other biased palestinians experts on blaming Israel and refusing to blame Hamas. One today even blamed it on one group getting everything and the other nothing. He needs reminding that Palestinians refused the mass of land given them whereas Israel accepted the pittance allowed it. There are only self inflicted wounds done by the Palestinians themselves who require something without nothing given.

When a court has rules on something which you rejected as a settlement very vocally and visually for the world to acknowledge, you cannot go back to the court 56 years latere and request they give you it now, as it hasn't worked out quite as you planned.

This is where myopia sets in so that historical righteous for the sake of truth is largely ignored for the sake of supposed justice for a people who want no truck with Israel, only it's demise, piece by torturous piece.

I truly loathe the BBC and any punishment it has coming will be fully deserved!!

Ernst S Blofeld

16 November 2012 14:18  
Blogger carl jacobs said...

Rebel Saint

Refusing to vote in elections does not damage the government. It delivers the government into the hands of small self-interested factions. Some percentage of people will always vote because they are essentially voting themselves an income. Your position is the equivalent of "If you don't do what I want, I shall hold my breath until I turn blue." The winning party will still govern despite the percentage of turnout. And exercising power is all the winning party really cares about.

carl

16 November 2012 14:22  
Blogger AnonymousInBelfast said...

Manfarang:

Yes, but whatever Devlin's flaws, she was at least elected!

16 November 2012 15:57  
Blogger Simon said...

"[W]hose utterly mind-boggling idea was it to elect PCCs in some areas by FPTP but in others by SV?"

Not very mind-boggling really, Your Grace. The electoral system used for the PCC elections was SV, which allows for a single run-off round if no candidate gains 50% of the vote. Where there are only two candidates there is, perfectly obviously, no way a run-off can occur, so the election was simply run according to FPTP. (If you want to be pedantic, you could point out that when there are only two candidates all electoral systems reduce to the same thing anyway, so it's all a moot point.)

Why SV was used at all though is, I concede, unclear.

16 November 2012 16:02  
Blogger Berserker said...


No apologies for continuing on the subject of Israeli/Palestinan bias of our appalling BBC. It is always the Palestinian casualties that are mentioned first and by the time they around to mentioning Israeli losses the casual listener might well have turned off. The first mentioned always stays in the mind longer.

ESB+T is right. The Palestinians had their chance and blew it. In the 1940's an Iraqi General wanted financial and military help from the Arab League to beef up his troops to surround the Israeli borders. The money or the military help was never delivered. This is a constant story from the other Arab States. They do not want to help the Palestinians. Most sensible Palestinians now live in Jordan.

The other news is that during the American Election the murder and torture of the American diplomat in Benghazi was considered a non event by the BBC. Its pro Obama bias was amazing. Remember Obama did nothing to help rescue the diplomat. But now I read the BBC is considering it a major story again.

The only reason the Newsnight programme was put out with its implication for Lord McAlpine was to draw attention away from the Saville business.

Breaking news Ha! Ha! The Guardian will not support its columnist George Monbiot for any legal costs brought by Lord McAlpine. They look after there own, down there in York Way, I don't think!

16 November 2012 16:32  
Blogger James said...

The parties seem to win elections by promising heaven on earth, and when, a decade later, the electorate realises that they are still in purgatory swathe of disaffected voters views the democratic process with cynicism and disdain, declaring a plague on all their houses.

Cobblers. If you stopped the Tory grandees from fiddling thousands through their expenses (on the basis that the "party of law and order" ought to know better), turnout would go through the roof.

16 November 2012 17:05  
Blogger non mouse said...

If this decline is not addressed soon - with coherent strategies for increasing participation and inspiring programmes for engagement - we might as well be governed from Brussels. Uh huh, Your Grace :)
[Translation for non-ironists -:( ]

Paolo Freire had first-hand experience of the [Communist] Oppressors in SAmerica ... he clearly explained their methodology for cultural invasion, which involves prevention of communication between us "plebs" (as we have come to know our unworthy selves) and our self-appointed Lords of all They Survey.

Freire of course did not treat of election fraud. That, though, is the reason why I don't vote: I see the sham as just another way of blocking Vox Populi. For starters, I have no confidence in the counting systems (which will be even less trustworthy once they're supervised by "elected," politicised, police). Then there are small matters like candidate selection, postal votes, votes by dead people, votes by illegal immigrants, votes by people who don't exist, et cetera, ad infinitum. Then there's the little matter of there being no difference between the parties and their obfuscations ... and the fact that they are merely rubber-stampers for ... oh my gosh, brussels (?sp).

To wit, since they make idiots of us whatever we do, why pay into their delusions by struggling to the polls?
______________

PS: "Apathy," another of their labels, is of course a misnomer that contributes towards re-inscription and deconstruction of English.
It's not that we don't care ........ [[like David @ 10:29, I recommend the Harrogate Agenda]]


16 November 2012 17:29  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

I say Archbishop, you’re slightly wrong on the mandate in Wiltshire, old chap. You see, the mandate there was actually 100%. We know this because 16% exercised their democratic right to vote, while 84% exercised their democratic right NOT to vote. Nobody was denied a vote apart from prisoners, the insane, and the underage. Anybody who wished could have spoilt their paper.

Society is driven by those who give a damn, not by those who don’t. The former ALONE should be entrusted with everyone’s future, and that looks about 3 in 20 of the population. Somehow, that really doesn’t come as much of a surprise…

Now, some people will insist the mandate was 16%. The more nefarious types being the Bolsheviks, and you know what’s coming next don’t you. Every time, those Bolsheviks will insist THEY and THEY ALONE speak for the silent 84%. They did this in Russia in 1917, and God knows they’ll do it here in the UK given half a chance. Bolshevik is a Russian word for ‘the majority’.

Watch out chaps, let’s not allow our undue concerns about apathy allow these rascals to take control, what !

16 November 2012 17:50  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

In Gloucestershire, the Independent won, but not at the first count. He had to do it on the back of second votes !

One suspects the STV advocates in this county are Lib Dems. This sinister lot expect to pick up the second votes from both Conservative and Labour voters in elections, as Clegg intended all along. However, throw in a popular independent and anything can happen, as has done. Serves them bloody well right !

“Mrs Atkins […Conservative…] won the first vote with 28,422 with independent candidate Martin Surl coming second with 27,676 votes.”

“Neither gained 50% of the vote which meant voters second preference were counted.”

“The former police officer beat nearest rival, Tory Victoria Atkins by 4247 votes following a count of voters' second preferences.”



16 November 2012 17:51  
Blogger Bred in the bone said...

Oh, it says vote Nobody

I must of read it wrong the first time around, now I am stuck with Nobby for Commissioner

16 November 2012 17:53  
Blogger Dave said...

It's unfortunate that the pcc elections have been the brunt of the the general contempt for politics. The government have let the concept wither and been happy to see it get negative press. I believe that the idea is good and more accountability is better than less.
In my neck of the woods the ruling party have won but have had a shock at the size vote against the status quo. If they had received 3% less on the first vote, the second choice would have been have forced an upset.

No bad thing.

As it is, the unfortunate populace will suffer more of the same, particularly those who deserve the most care and are the most vulnerable.

16 November 2012 18:09  
Blogger bluedog said...

Mr Carl @ 14.22 says, 'And exercising power is all the winning party really cares about.'

Precisely.

However misconceived the electoral process may be, failure to participate is a great mistake.

A glance at the PCC boundaries suggests that these are the proposed boundaries for a regionalised Britain that meshes with similar EU plans.

16 November 2012 19:56  
Blogger Bred in the bone said...

Taking part only lends an air of legitimacy to the Dictorship we have become

It is only when you do not take part, that you can expose how they press ahead regardless, as dictators do

16 November 2012 21:28  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

Bone old fellow. Shurley you mean ‘Dictatorship’. ‘Dictorship’ suggests rule by gay men, don’t you think...

hic !

16 November 2012 21:49  
Blogger Bred in the bone said...

I do like to nurse a bottle of Carolans Irish cream on a Friday

Burp!

16 November 2012 22:48  
Blogger Bred in the bone said...

Further to our discussion about rule by dictorshit... Belch

I thought it best we leave the Dippydicks to another time...

Barph!

16 November 2012 23:45  
Blogger Marie1797 said...

We don't need another level of bureaucracy and the police should not be politicised. They serve which ever government is in power.

Why is Cameron doing this it's not democracy what if we don't want a police commissioner?
We weren't asked, and no doubt we will get one foisted upon us whether we like it or not and at great expense when what we really need is more and effective policing out catching criminals.

The salary must be good otherwise two jags wouldn't have bothered putting himself up for it.

I think it's a total waste of money that could be better spent.

17 November 2012 00:54  
Blogger Bred in the bone said...

Well if the bobbies serve whatever Government is in power, mine is a pint 'o' bitter and its Camerons round

After which I will show my arse on the Town Hall steps in order that Julia Gasper can identify me

Goodness I almost feel fit for Power!

17 November 2012 01:17  
Blogger Bred in the bone said...

Just incase David Cameron is considering having me weeding me out for my comments

I may have meant another Cameron and another Mc Alpine may be the kiddie fiddler

But let the Lords rob the taxpayer regardless, from me to you, live it up boys

17 November 2012 01:55  
Blogger Bred in the bone said...

There I go, talking broken biscuits, like some drunk in a bar, nobody takes notice of

It used to be much better when we had pubs to do it in

17 November 2012 02:29  
Blogger Gnostic said...

I didn't vote. Why the hell do we need yet another gravy train for Z rate politicians?

The only highlight of the whole useless measure was Two Shags getting shown the door. :0)

17 November 2012 04:15  
Blogger Bred in the bone said...

Oh no, what have I done, I am never going to drink again!

17 November 2012 08:36  
Blogger E.xtra S.ensory Blofeld + Tiddles said...

OH NO. The BBC are at it again.

Spokesperson on for The Council of Arab and British understanding.

He said "Blah Blah Blah..of course the number of Israeli's killed by extremists(no mention of who these are/were specifically) is 37 by mortar whereas the number killed by Israel was not proportionate or equivalent!

He appears to be implying that they were random shots merely to scare Israeli's into psychological submission or panic rather than meant to kill whereas we know it was low due to the precision or lack of it with those rockets. Suicide bombing shows that they always go for the maxim numbers of victims to be murdered!! It was merely the means that failed them.

A simplified version of what this council's aims are.

Johhny English: Now come again Mustafa, How much did you say you wanted for that barrel of oil?
Mustafa: Johnny, I think we have reached an understanding!! *Chortles*

BBC, please rot in the deepest part of Tartarus with the rest of the hordes of hell, there's a nice institution!

E S Blofeld

17 November 2012 11:03  
Blogger bluedog said...

Your Grace, in the wake of the Corby by-election it is becoming increasingly obvious that Mr Nigel Farage should stand against Rt Hon David Cameron for the seat of Witney.

17 November 2012 11:25  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

Saints be praised. An entire thread without the benefit of DanJ0’s input.

“I thought I was somewhere else. Somewhere good”

17 November 2012 11:45  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

"What a perfect day, drink Sangria in the pub. Later when it gets dark, we go home"

17 November 2012 11:49  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

Cranmer Classifieds: Public Notices 17th November 2013

DanJ0. Missing, one year. “Forever young”

From a grateful Inspector...

17 November 2012 13:16  
Blogger Dreadnaught said...

Why should anyone get het-up about the biggest non-event in British political history. I have to say that nor for the first time I am in total accord with the comments from Blowers and having just heard Wyre Davies on BBC talk about poor palestinians being used to being 'under the cosh' from Israel - Jeez, I despair for the future of this country if the paragon of truthful news reporting is reduced to the level of a Janet and John book.

17 November 2012 14:19  
Blogger John Magee said...

Egypt has launched rockets at Israel. This is real news.

17 November 2012 15:29  
Blogger The Way of Dodo said...

Have you inside information Mr Magee? As Iunderstand it, rockets were launched "from the direction" of Egypt" on Friday. Not by Egypt but by terrorists.

Joining the dots ....?

17 November 2012 18:58  
Blogger Thinker said...

We are already governed from Brussels - had His grace not noticed?

17 November 2012 21:15  
Blogger E.xtra S.ensory Blofeld + Tiddles said...

I am getting really P&**"£ off now.

BBC now has editor of Arabs Today blaming Israel for an invasion of Gaza recently that was not shown in the world's biased media, Palestinians only want peace, it's the Jews wot dun it!..perhaps the BBC was so sunken in the saville etc mire that it missed that precious gem. NOT!!

I have now formally complained to Editor of BBC News, for what its worth, against their biased reporting..something I have never done before but Ernst is spitting feathers and they are not from munching on our friendly neighbourhood tiberian duck.

As Yosemite Sam might say; Stop that bias, ya crazy rackin', frackin', danged ol' tongue flappin' bloundering varmints at da BBC! Why you! Oooh! I canna stands no more!

B.ritish B.edouin C.olluders. SHAT IT!

E S Blofeld

17 November 2012 21:31  
Blogger John Magee said...

Dodo

All I do is look at the headlines and read the news like everyone else does.

Dot #1:

Egypt’s Muslim Brotherhood President Mohammed Morsi (beloved "saint" of the Egyptian Arab Spring"), who is setting himself up as a "savior" for the Palestinians, sent his prime minister Hisham Kandil to Gaza Friday in a show of solidarity with the ideologically-aligned Islamist Hamas leadership.

Dot #2

For the past several days rockets and now a missile from "the direction of Egypt" have been flying through the air north into Israel. They are either coming from the Gaza or from Egypt. Look at a map and see where the Gaza and Egypt are located.


Dot #3

Who knows what will come of this but an ecalation in tensions and violence is a pretty good guess.

Whay is your point?

17 November 2012 22:28  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

Blofeld old fellow. Caught the tail end of a BBC trailer the other day where the BBC was congratulating itself on being a world beloved organisation. Conveniently missed out “despite it’s news and current affairs being run by Marxist Leninist sympathisers”

When will it all end. Literally, when will they sell the thing off !

Inspector also rather annoyed that the presenters of ‘Match of the Day’ are now a black and an asian. BBC rather embarrassed to have white faces in front of the camera with this ‘Kick it Out’ campaign going on. That, in case you weren’t aware, will allow black footballers to wind up white footballers by mocking their private lives, with presumably the threat of prison if the latter replies with the usual time honoured and well deserved salute of F-B-C.


17 November 2012 22:31  
Blogger Julia Gasper said...

I'm very flattered that Cranmer has borrowed one of my titles for this blog:-
http://juliagasper.blogspot.co.uk/2011/12/landslide-victory-for-apathy.html

Bluedog suggests that Nigel Farage should stand in Witney against David Cameron. No good. Witney is populated by robotic voters, rather like the Stepford Wives, who are only capable of voting Conservative. They cannot be re-programmed, it is deep in the bios. They occasionally drive their cars into large posters put up by rival parties and then have no memory of it.

17 November 2012 23:38  
Blogger The Way of Dodo said...

Mr Magee

Then do join all the dots.

Why the escalation bt Israel now? After the USA election and before the Israeli election?

Rabbi Sacks was on BBC's 'Thought for the Day' on Friday morning. When he'd finished, his interviewer asked him to comment on the Gaza situation.

Sacks, unaware that he was live, said "I think it's got to do with Iran, actually", before Sarah Montague whispered: "We, we're live." The Rabbi's tone then changed and he called for "Continued prayer for peace, not only in Gaza but for the whole region, no one gains from violence".

The IDF are claiming Gaza is a "frontal base" for Iran. Both Turkey and Eygpt have called for restraint on both sides.

The situation is undoubtedly heating-up and Israel are justified in striking at terrorists.

It's all about timimng and there is a wider agenda, I agree.

There is no evidence the Government of Egypt are behind the strikes on Friday. "Egypt will not leave Gaza alone, and what is happening there is a blatant aggression against humanity," said President Mohammed Morsy. Egypt's peace treaty with Israel seems safe - for the moment.

17 November 2012 23:43  
Blogger The Way of Dodo said...

Ernsty

Can one munch without teeth? I understand Matron confiscated yours for reasons that must remain private.

17 November 2012 23:59  
Blogger Bred in the bone said...

Some sobering thoughts on here today

17 November 2012 23:59  
Blogger The Way of Dodo said...

Bone

Best have a drink then!

18 November 2012 00:01  
Blogger E.xtra S.ensory Blofeld + Tiddles said...

Dodo

"Ernsty

Can one munch without teeth? I understand Matron confiscated yours for reasons that must remain private."

Dear bird

If you only knew Ernst's current dental deficiencies you would understand how hilarious that sounds, rather than matron confiscating his glass with said dentures bobbing inside them,
they fell out of their own accord and at my age the tooth fairy rarely visits anymore so it pays more to leave the tooth under another pillow and pocket the £ without the fairy knowing. She obviously needs to go to specsavers as the tooth usually has a lead filling inside..Poor Tinkerbell?
That old dog Ernst now has more bark then bite haha.

Ernst is awaiting a new set of munchers from Kings College dental hospital while me temps wobble and fall in me mouth like like an oversize pair of knickers on a flat backside. The trials of the toothless wonder that is Ernst?

Ernst

ps

I'd rather be tooth-less than truth-less.. :-) ;-)

pss

@17 November 2012 23:43

You say so much without actually saying anything in particular? Sheer Tiberian Class!

Nighty Dickie

18 November 2012 04:02  
Blogger The Way of Dodo said...

Ernsty

Why you poor old soul. Let's hope you get a new set of teeth soon.

And the space between words and what isn't said is where meaning can be found. Would you have me spell everything out for you?

Call yourself a sleuth?!

18 November 2012 18:20  
Blogger len said...

Dodo if you did a bit of' sleuthing' you would find you have been conned bigstyle........

Clue if you are a good follower of your religion you visit them weekends?.

24 November 2012 12:47  

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